Curse

prism2525 · Aug 10, 2006, 06:43 AM // 06:43

This thread is a rather useless one IMO. If you can't stand noobs in FoW armor, just change districts! Man is that so hard to think up? It's a losing battle trying to stop newbies to get the 'hot' content easily as they would just do as Maria said.

Make protector title a req? Mission runs would start like hell.

And no, I don't have FoW armor on any of my chars. I don't even have 5 ectos, come to that.

Maria The Princess · Aug 10, 2006, 06:43 AM // 06:43

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

I might have misunderstood you, but are you saying that in order for you to get this armor, your full team must have the quest and also you can't help your friends to get it later because if you join them, the npc won't appear?

If so.-

1. How do you know that every person in your team has the quest? (Well, they could be a way)

2. Hard missions/quests are extremely hard with PUG unless you're very lucky. So with this kind of condition, someone in a guild or someone without a guild will have to join PUG. And even though he's one of the best GW players, he might not be able to get the armor because he missed his guild team yesterday, and gets unlucky with PUG? I can imagine even more whinning threads than now...

3. Imagine that you happened to reach the quest areas late into the game time. There's nearly nobody in the area to do the quest with you because they've all gone playing some new chapters. So no matter how long you've waited, there're not enough people there to do the quest with you. And nobody can help you with that... Don't you think that's worse than current elite mission situations?

1- if everyone has the quets there is an NPC greeting you party in entrance

2- this is not suposed to be easy! this is not suposed to be an armor that ANYBODY can get. this is ment to be VERY hard and you will not complete it from first try most likely. so by wearing that armor you will "say": i did the harderst thing in GW, i puged the quests, so i proove you that i can be a good team player, even in a PUG...

3- these missions will be accessible after an end of EVERY campaig, kinda like fow is ccessible from both chapters. ok lets say...you can do the quest ONCE per character that finished campaign. lets say, my ranger finished 2 campaigns, so she gets to do it ONLY 2 times. so there will be a choice of reward, kinda like after killing shiro, but better then that. and about them being empty? as i said, this armor is goint to be on a VERY special status so it will take a patient organised group. those who dont have an active/helpful/normal guild might as well find a good guild while doin these missions, because they will show skill, and not money

Doomslay · Aug 10, 2006, 06:49 AM // 06:49

Come on folks instead of saying NO it will never Work add suggestions to improve the idea, thats alot harder I know, but you can do it if you try !!!!!

Cacheelma · Aug 10, 2006, 06:51 AM // 06:51

Do you think it's necessary to insult ppl via PM, Doomslay?

We're expressing our opinions to the public. Don't get too work up about it just because someone disagree with you.

Doomslay · Aug 10, 2006, 06:55 AM // 06:55

here is a copy of what I sent to you

instead of knocking the idea ues your brain to make it better!

I know you can do it, try it you will like it.

only people with no imaination don't try to improve the world.

it was ment as a compliment and would not have been sent if I did not think you had a brain.

CHUIU · Aug 10, 2006, 06:56 AM // 06:56

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Originally Posted by Doomslay

And even though I have the Protector title on multiple chars Ive been told by the leet PVPers that they could do them blindfolded with one hand while being shocked by a monkey.

Yeah but did they ever put their money where their mouth was? I mean I couldn't find a monkey to do the shocking so I had to ask a human but I did it the same. It was pretty much just grab henchmen and spam 'c + space bar' the whole time.

nugzta · Aug 10, 2006, 07:12 AM // 07:12

You want armor to reflect your skill? Easy, make it so that you have to do some pvp gameplay (like AB/Aspenwood/Jade Quarry, of course it's different one for other chapters) and you earn faction points (like Balthazar/Kurzick/Luxon points). Then you exchange these points for armor so you cant buy the armor or transfer the points to someone else. It's a good way to bridge between pve and pvp as well. Other than that, anything from pve aspect is too static hardly to show some skills.

Molte · Aug 10, 2006, 07:41 AM // 07:41

lol
I just read 4 pages of nothing.

Fow armor has the same stats as any other armor.
Who cares.

floppinghog · Aug 10, 2006, 07:47 AM // 07:47

rofl ^^^ 2nd that.... exactly what you said molte.

Opeth11 · Aug 10, 2006, 07:56 AM // 07:56

Anyways, why improve something that doesn't matter?

Oh wow, you spent more money in-game than me! Why can't I do that? ;_;

aron searle · Aug 10, 2006, 08:33 AM // 08:33

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Originally Posted by Doomslay

You know what really ticks me off I post a simple suggestion for an inprovment in the game

Is this the suggestion forum?

opps.

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and instead of thoughtful,insightful comments and suggestions I get slammed for even suggesting that there might be a different or better way of rewarding good game play, some people didnt even bother to read the whole post before blasting the idea.

Yet some people have read your post and given you good reasons why its ok as is, but you dont agree and are getting annoyed.

Fow armour means sod all, just like any pve armour, there is no way to make pve armour that shows skill, because

PVE DOES NOT REQUIRE SKILL.

how many completly clueless morons do you see running about in the end game areas.

PVE DOES NOT REQUIRE SKILL.

If you want armour that shows skill, then PVP is basicly the way, anything else is abusable or easy to obtian by joining good groups.

Opeth11 · Aug 10, 2006, 08:39 AM // 08:39

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Originally Posted by aron searle

PVE DOES NOT REQUIRE SKILL.

Why the hell not? Do you even know what skill means?

Sasuke The Betrayer · Aug 10, 2006, 08:40 AM // 08:40

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Originally Posted by Doomslay

I got to thinking about Fissure of Woe Armor (FOW), and about how it really means little or nothing anymore. Let's face it anyone with enough money can go on eBay and buy the materials needed, or spend a huge amount of time in the Fissure of Woe killing enough beasties To Make Fissure of Woe Armor.

I do not entirely agree with you, but on the quote I indicated is something I want to talk about. We were doing the bonus trick (Necrotic Traversal), and a warrior with Fissure of Woe armor told me to back off because he had more skills then me. Well, long story short, he died, I lived. I had 1.5k platemail ^^ lol.

Onto the main topic. If you were you change it, the what would the values of ectos and obsidian shards be? What would be our next material of some sort that can be used as money (Like when people say 100k + 5 ectos). I'd hate to see people who have 1000 ectos, and end up losing over 192417091k. Its hard to show PvE skills,the most you can do it just get titles. There will always be the noobs who eBay, and they can easily just get a run to beat that "uber" boss. They did that with Urgoz and Kanaxai

Yanman.be · Aug 10, 2006, 08:43 AM // 08:43

You are REALLY dumb if you think FoW armour ( or 15K ) has anything to do with skill. Or rank. After the IWAY craze that is. ( or even spirit spam, or dual smite. )

Cacheelma · Aug 10, 2006, 08:43 AM // 08:43

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Originally Posted by Opeth11

Why the hell not? Do you even know what skill means?

I think he tried to say that, in order to accomplish something in PvE, you don't really have to be good at the game because....(drum roll)

You can go afk in a good group and they'll get the mission done for you.

The same is true for some formats of PvP, but very unlikely.

Sad, but true.

Omega X · Aug 10, 2006, 08:45 AM // 08:45

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Originally Posted by aron searle

PVE DOES NOT REQUIRE SKILL.

Here we go again.

Someone lock this thread before it gets ugly.

Eet GnomeSmasher · Aug 10, 2006, 08:46 AM // 08:46

Seriously, why fix a non existant problem? Why get so worked up over who is wearing what when you have the same option to do so too?

This smacks of elitism. You dont like a certain type of people getting FOW so you want to change the rules so that only people like you can feel special and leave other people out.

Opeth11 · Aug 10, 2006, 08:48 AM // 08:48

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

I think he tried to say that, in order to accomplish something in PvE, you don't really have to be good at the game because....(drum roll)

You can go afk in a good group and they'll get the mission done for you.

The same is true for some formats of PvP, but very unlikely.

Sad, but true.

Well, the way that he said it almost makes the reader believe that he is trying to convince you that there is no way to show that you are good in PvE because it's easy.

Oh, can't I show some skill by doing a stupidly complicated? Solo FoW? Three man urgoz? Three man clearing of FoW? Three man clearing of the UW? They all seem to take some skill to me.

PvE doesn't take skill? My ass. Especially if you try to compare it to the dictionary description of skill.

makosi · Aug 10, 2006, 09:20 AM // 09:20

The root of the problem is the buyers and sellers of gold in GW. More needs to be done to stop it.

aron searle · Aug 10, 2006, 09:53 AM // 09:53

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Originally Posted by Opeth11

Well, the way that he said it almost makes the reader believe that he is trying to convince you that there is no way to show that you are good in PvE because it's easy.

It is easy.

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Oh, can't I show some skill by doing a stupidly complicated? Solo FoW? Three man urgoz? Three man clearing of FoW? Three man clearing of the UW? They all seem to take some skill to me.

PvE doesn't take skill? My ass. Especially if you try to compare it to the dictionary description of skill.

Yes there are hard bits but the actual campaing isnt hard, and Pve is expliotable because its scripted AI, which means once a build has been developed nearly anyone can do it.

I dont see how you can mesure pve skill, simply because of its nature.

And also you can just join a good group and do well no matter how poor you actually are.

Thats why PVE dosnt "REQUIRE" skill

I should probably have put more emphasis on that word, you need skill to play PVE decently, but you dont REQUIRE any skill to beat it or most other PVE related things, you can just join a group or use a known build.